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February 25, 2020

Confronting Fear

With Dr. Carla Michelle & Marilena Grittani, RPh

If you were struggling to start 2020, the way you wanted, then this episode will be perfect for you.

Dr. Carla Michelle is an executive coach with a Psychotherapy background.

Among other stuff we talked about:

  • Motivation is a Motive with an Action
  • Confront your fears. If you dont, you will be missing so much out!
  • Communication is key, not just about a plan, but communicating your feelings and your emotions and relieving yourself of that stress, or those stressors that come with life.
  • I will have a discovery call with you, to determine how we can work together, how you see this event, how I can be of service, and even another therapist will be there, just make sure, if she could be a service to you. We will have coaching sessions during the Retreat.
Dr. Carla Michelle and Me at the Bare and Beautiful Retreat, 2019

"The first part is facing what you need to face and that is, have a conversation with someone who within the family or the doctor go in for the visit, but truly fear to move past it"

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"... and not everything gets solved with a pill. The mentality is: I'm going to take a pill for this, and that will fix it. Like if you have diabetes, take medications, and I eat all the cake you I want. No, that doesn't help."

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Episode Transcripts

Marilena Grittani, RPh  0:06  

Hola! Marilena Grittani here. Welcome to The Legal Drug Dealer Podcast. I am a registered pharmacist and also your host. 

Marilena Grittani, RPh  0:14  

Today I have a really, really good episode for you and when I say that I mean it because today we’re talking to my personal business coach is Dr. Carla Michelle. 

Marilena Grittani, RPh  0:27  

Carla Michelle is a strong woman that is dedicated in her life to support, teach and improve the lives of those that she’s coaching. Mainly females but she does males too. And she is trying to change the world for the better, one coaching at the time. 

Marilena Grittani, RPh  0:49  

She believes in females being strong, and she believe in so many good things that you guys need to start listening to her. I wanted her to come over, because after the episode last week about geriatrics and passing, I realized that we humans have fears. 

Marilena Grittani, RPh  1:09  

And we have blocks in our mind that are not allowing us to move forward, and to do the stuff that we know deep inside we need to do, but we don’t do it out of fear. And I needed Carla Michelle to help us get through this and improve it for the benefit of, not only ourselves, but our kids, our parents, our loved ones, our spouses as well.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  1:35  

You are going to understand how this type of services like coaching and retreats like the one that I went with, her could change your life. I honestly wasn’t that mindful of it because, I am involved with what I’m doing every day. But you know, talking to her realize that this podcast is a result of what we worked on on me as a person when I went to Bear and Beautiful the event that she invited me to intimate event in Palm Springs, California last year.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  2:12  

I would like for you to listen to what we talked about for you to understand how it dawned on me how this have influenced my life, and yours as well. Because this information that you’re listening to that you’re tuning in every Tuesday to get a new episode from me, to get information to get education and to get support from me, is because of that conversation that I had with Carla Michelle and that event that I went with her. So, you are going to understand a little bit better when you listen. And at the end, she has a very important information for you. So don’t go early. Make sure you finish the episode because she has a little treat for you at the end. So make sure you listen all the way to the end. And I’m not gonna continue  talking I’m gonna let you listen to our conversation. 

Marilena Grittani, RPh  3:03  

Welcome to The Legal drug dealer podcast, Carla. Michelle is an honor and I’m so happy to have you here.

Dr. Carla Michelle  3:09  

Oh, it’s so glad to be here and and just kudos to you for what you’re doing and all that you have put your mind to. I just wish you much prosperity.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  3:18  

Oh, thank you so much. Well, this, this is part of your responsibility. You pushed me to do this. So if somebody complains about me doing this, Carla Michelle is one of the responsible entities on this because she is actually my coach. And in a recent event that we had together, Bear and Beautiful right, that was the name. She made me open my mind to a moment of stuff that I was not open to. And through that openness and that therapy that we got together, I understood that I needed to serve the public and the community and my patients and, I found this avenue to do it, to be the best for me. So your fault Connor Michelle. Your fault. Thank you for that!

Dr. Carla Michelle  4:01  

I will take it. I will take all of the blame because you are great and you’re doing great. And in a matter of months, not even years, ladies and gentlemen a matter of months, you’ve stepped out and really embraced, who you are and in your vulnerability and in your bareness. You have really exceeded, I’m sure what you ever thought or imagine what you would be hosting a podcast, that is successful. And this is just a great, great, great, seriously great opportunity to be a part of a dream.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  4:35  

Correct. I never saw that this would be my thing. It is a dream. And it’s working so far.  I’m hoping that listeners are getting benefits and good information from this podcast. But today we’re not talking about me. It’s not my turn. So not you and me anymore is you, me and them. Because part of what I want to do today is for you to help us understand How important is to get motivated to get things done for our own health, and for the future of those that we love, related to health. Because we are we have busy lives, we have too much to do. And we are always thinking, I don’t have time, I don’t have time. But then time is a commodity that our parents and ourselves don’t have. That goes really fast is one of the areas that nobody can work on. So if you have elderly patients, if you have health issues, you need to take care of that soon, sooner than later. So you can live the best life that you can for yourself and for them. So on that note, what do you think people in general should be thinking when they are procrastinating, because I believe that that’s the word, taking care of themselves or their parents because they don’t have time.

Dr. Carla Michelle  6:00  

Procrastinating taking care of themselves. Well, you know, as you know, you introduced me as your coach, but I do coach and I have the privilege of working with people who are just high performers. And sometimes as high performers, we just look at it as that is something in the workplace. And not just, it could be in your home, it could be with your family, you’re a high performer. And as a high performer, we forget to take care of ourselves, we focus on everyone else, because: One to some, that’s fulfilling to others, it could be out of guilt, and that’s something we should do. Then there is the others that, just are not aware of the need of taking care of yourself. And there is so many different ways that we can take care of ourselves, whether it’s some people may choose medication, someone may choose the alternative medication as things that become legal, and other things that exercise and coaching in and more sleep and dieting and what they take in. 

Dr. Carla Michelle  7:06  

My job is to cultivate, strengthen and propel people. And in that it’s a motivating them and motivation is like motive with an action. Right? So you have motivation, you have to have action behind your motive and it’s not always about someone else, we really have to focus in more on ourselves because as you know, when you get on an airplane, they say to put the mask on yourself and then your child. So that’s how life should be where are we, we should be giving out of what is full of and not always surviving off of empty, whether it’s an adult parent that’s sick, or yourself that sick. You have to take the time and not procrastinate not to put it off, but make it a daily ritual we learned about rituals during our time together. We did wonderful and the importance of slowing down and really Honoring the time and honoring yourself.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  8:02  

That’s one of the things that I learned the most in that event that we had together. It wasn’t just Carla me people, it was like

Dr. Carla Michelle  8:10  

It felt like it! It was a very intimate setting was 10 of us is 10 intimate?

Marilena Grittani, RPh  8:18  

While we were in a house, just 10 of us…

Marilena Grittani, RPh  8:21  

That was my dog. So you know, her she always participate. And it was very intimate because we spent what 48 hours together, having the opportunity to have discussions between all of us, but talking about that what you just said that is having rituals every morning is it has changed the development of each day now, because now I take the time, not only to relax and focus on what I need to do that day, but I get my mindset to achieve what I need to achieve that day. Because of the ritual. Honestly when I was talking to you about it, and you were presenting that, I’m like, this is a waste of time during this 10 minutes, I can do it or that. But I ended up learning that focusing, doing a routine like this set my day for a better outcome that if I don’t do that. So I hundred percent support that. But you know, for our listeners that are that they know that they have diabetes in their family, for example, and their parents have had a or their siblings and they need to check but they haven’t, because they think that they feel good. And we all know that diabetes is a silent killer. It doesn’t make that many, you know, alarms go off before you get diagnosed, what is something that they need to sink and they should focus for them to make the move to have the motivation as you said to have the motive, but actually do the action to take care of themselves?

Dr. Carla Michelle  9:55  

Well, first and foremost is to move past the fear of what diabetes means for their health or what they’ve seen in their family. You know, sometimes we run from the truth. That would be the first part is face what you need to face and that is have a conversation with someone who within the family or the doctor go in for the visit, but truly fear to move past it, because if I can just move a little bit. 

Dr. Carla Michelle  10:29  

My mom was felt a it’s different diagnosed, felt a lump in her breast. And wait, it waited a long time until it was already stage four. And there’s, you know, religious beliefs behind that, you know, waiting and praying if I can touch on that a little bit, but that’s it. But then it was the fear of finding out the results. And when trying to catch up is where we don’t want your listeners to be. Is to try Try to catch up and to move past the fear and to have the action that will bring the results and give them time to make proper decisions into where they’re not, where the sugar is too high or their body  or they’re having headaches and all the symptoms are there. But yet, they’re not changing their diet, and they’re not seeking out the help.So I have to say, I would love to encourage them to move past the fear and to tackle it head on.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  11:31  

That’s a very good point. And I have heard for several patients of mine saying I don’t go to the doctor because they’re going to tell me that something is bad. But if something is good, they didn’t have the chance either or what we call about prevention, that if you have in the case of diabetes, the as I was discussing with Teresa Morrow she was talking about pre-diabetes so you have a range that you are not there but you could be if you don’t make modifications in your lifestyle on your diet, and you don’t Take care of yourself. But if you catch it right there, you can revert it.

Dr. Carla Michelle  12:04  


Marilena Grittani, RPh  12:04  

So she was talking about something that was really sad in the last episode about geriatric, about people that are talking about family members that are probably going to die soon, and they don’t know what they would like to do. And then I’ve seen family members of patients that are in the ER saying, Do whatever you need to do to rescue my parents, but they don’t respect their decisions, because they’re afraid of death. They’re afraid of not having them anymore. Even if they have a poor quality of life after that event. They rather have them with equipment, machines, breathing and making them survive, but not die because of that fear. That is a very good point. And it’s sad, but that conversation needs to happen.

Dr. Carla Michelle  12:47  

It does. You know, my father is aging quicker than I want him to does come to that point where me and my siblings, we know he’s declining quickly, you know, after already losing my mom and then now here we are. Yeah. Fear can grip you fear can raise you up, to where you’re not making proper decisions. And they’re based out of like you said, save them. Now, you know, you’re quick to, not have a sound mind. And so if I moved in fear, I’ll speak for myself with my father who’s aging, I wouldn’t make the proper decisions, it will be based more on emotion, and not on something that is going to in the long term, give him the desires of his heart and the way that he would like his life to be remembered. And to honor that, and that takes some mental time, you know, and it takes a time to have a conversation while you can. I encourage you to have a conversation, but as well as to know that their self care again, take some time for yourself. So you’re responding, is not much as a reaction to the final finality of life. But it’s you’re prepared and you’re ready. Nothing’s perfect, but you do your best to present yourself or to show up in a way that has peace.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  14:08  

Absolutely. Talking to Veronica Riera, she talked about her geriatrics and aging healthy. And she gave really good points and tips. But she was actually saying, I haven’t talked to dad about it. I think that he would like this. But because of our conversation while I was interviewing her talking about geriatrics, she said, I’m gonna go talk to my dad and ask him; he’s healthy. He’s still very young, and I don’t want him to die. But I think I want to be prepared because at the moment that you are in a juncture, that you will need to make a decision and you are so overwhelmed with feelings, with fear, with panic, with whatever it is because of the situation, the circumstances you forget that you need to honor them. So she said that she talked to him and she told me recently; after the interview, she said it was not what I expected. So she whatever she thought it could be, she would not do what he wouldn’t want her to do. Yeah, so she said, she said, It’s not that I had fears, simply that I never thought about my dad passing. But guess what?

Dr. Carla Michelle  15:19  

Who wants to?

Marilena Grittani, RPh  15:20  

True! True! And then guess what we all will!

Dr. Carla Michelle  15:24  

Yeah, yes, yes. Yes. So true. Okay, I can share this funny. I don’t know if it’s funny, but I found it humorous. My mom passed my dad remarried. So with my mom, my father has a plan of what to do when he passes. And then he met remarried. He’s no longer married on the second life. And they had a plan what to do for him if he dies. So imagine if we didn’t have that conversation. There’s two plans in place. So we have time to figure out which way we’re going to follow which way he wants to, you know, yes, it you Never know what’s not said.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  16:02  

True. True.

Dr. Carla Michelle  16:03  

Yoy never know until you ask.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  16:04  

And also thinking about my beloved I’m very admired Kobe Bryant. He was 41 years old. And he was so son and for that little girl, his daughter was 13. They never had this the opportunity to have this kind of conversation. And now the wife, the poor Vanessa is left with not having a husband not getting hugs and supported and loved by him anymore. Having a half empty house because her husband is not there her biggest support, and then dealing with losing a child as well. And having to get her other daughters to deal with that. Because she’s the only parent left you know this kind of conversations. The situation is awful my respect and my deepest feelings to her because… 

Marilena Grittani, RPh  16:53  

God I kiss Matt that day, so many times and I told him so many times. I love him because I put myself in her position. And I know it’s going to be awful. So thinking about circumstances like that, that are drastic that are not what we want that to happen to us, but life is not fair. It is what it is. So we need to deal with it and be as clear and as prepared as we can. So prevention in terms of health, is what we should do, like, okay, I want to last for my kids. I don’t want my children to be alone. I don’t want my daughter’s partner or my parents. So then I need to take care of myself so I can take care of them. Or if you don’t want to lose your parents, when you could do something do the same. Now, the motive exist, how do they tie it with the action? How do they get it done?

Dr. Carla Michelle  17:42  

You know, it’s almost like when we have goals, this is 2020. We many of us have, systems or goals that we put in place of what we want to achieve this year. And some of those goals are healthy lifestyle. Then there’s also… so when you talk about motive with action, and It’s really writing down a plan and following it, putting it together have a family plan, what is happening when if you do have a health issue or your parents, you’re taking care of what’s the plan, discuss it, as we said earlier, and then have a plan for yourself.

Dr. Carla Michelle  18:15  

What will I do? Not just for myself, but what will I do when my parents passed? What’s my plan to take care of myself Once my dad passes? And I do think of that, and I I don’t see it as more of it. I see it as protective insurance of my mindset and my emotions and; not that I don’t want to feel because a lot of us don’t want to feel our emotions. But I call myself a daddy’s girl as old as I am. But yet, I know that effect on me. So that alone is my actions that are motivating me to what do I need to do for myself? How will I make sure I get enough sleep? How do I make sure I’m going to be eating right? How do I make sure if there’s something going on in my body that I go visit my family doctor or what am I doing to make sure so those are the actions behind my motive is to pre-plan as much as I can, you cannot control everything. And then it’s also connecting myself with people who are able to be that emotional support, you know and not to put myself in a situation where I secluded myself or you know.

Dr. Carla Michelle  19:25  

I have to communicate communication is key, not just about a plan, but communicating your feelings and your emotions and relieving yourself of that stress, or those stressors that come with life. Life, as you said, is, is unpredictable when you mentioned Kobe and Vanessa, and their daughter, it’s life is unpredictable for anybody. Anybody. You don’t have to be in a helicopter you it’s just about making sure that we wake up, we have some surety of knowing that we have a group of people or a team of people are we’re taking care of ourselves, or we’re spending time being positive about our mindset and we’re speaking life into ourselves. 

Dr. Carla Michelle  20:07  

You know, there’s nothing like the negative words and how they take away and how they affect our health. You know, we we gain weight from stress, we have stomach issues from stress, we have so many health issues from stress, anxiety, the headaches, the migraines, the itchy skin, you know, whatever, however, your body starts responding, you know, the body keeps score.

Dr. Carla Michelle  20:29  

There’s a book out there about the body keeps score, and it talks about the research they’ve done as how we hold in items, and hold in, thoughts and we hold in things that happen and our body speaks. They said a lot of our diseases and I’m not that kind of doctor, medical doctor, but a lot of our diseases are from the stressors and the anxiety and things that we hold in and the things that we’re not communicating and things we’re not taking care of, from childhood trauma. And how if you follow us Someone and you follow their medical, physical life and their ailments and how a lot of them are birthed from the trauma as a child. They talk about even in your mother’s womb, that things that carry out, and we call hereditary stressors, carrying on. So those are those things. The body keeps score is a really, really good book to recommend to your listeners, because our body does keep score. It does.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  21:30  

And now that you mentioned it, I failed to ask you about exactly what you do, but it’s still always time. So always. I just love her people. I’m sorry. She is my friend. And I admire and honor her with what she does. But tell us a little bit about what professionally you’ve done and where you come from Carla?

Dr. Carla Michelle  21:52  

Sure. I run Dr. Carla Inc, which is a coaching and consulting services. I do life coaching business coaching. My focus is high performing individuals. I have a heart for women, I believe that there is so much that we don’t talk about: the hurt, the disappointments, the things we want and passions, the goals, the dreams that get lost in life. And so I love to bring out what the strength and the skill sets that we have and help us go to the next level that we want to achieve and accomplish and to bring fulfillment and to dig a little deeper and to make you a little uncomfortable and help you grow.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  22:39  

I’m rolling my eyes as she’s saying that because she did that to me.

Dr. Carla Michelle  22:42  

(laughs) And it’s just an honor and a privilege to just see how much people don’t know about themselves and even what we’re talking about now and how important it is to I think the number one thing is to know yourself and if you know yourself, you can tackle so much more. I mean really, honestly Knowing what makes you angry, what hurts your feelings? So that’s what I do.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  23:06  

I was trying to ask her this, so she would say that she’s a PhD.

Dr. Carla Michelle  23:10  

Oh, yeah.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  23:11  

he is ignoring me!so good, please would you tell us?

Dr. Carla Michelle  23:14  

Yes, I have a master’s in marriage and family therapy and PhD in business psychology. So that ties in my executive coaching and business skills along with therapeutic psychotherapy background.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  23:30  

So there you go. Only that!

Marilena Grittani, RPh  23:31  

Just going back about all that other stuff. Yeah. And a lot of fun too. And she has the most beautiful smile people I will add photo of hers on the episode’s page.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  23:43  

But I wanted to say something that you know, that you touch on, but I want to be a little bit more specific about this. When I went to your retreat, I mean, I went there thinking: I’m going to have a weekend away from my husband. And from all of my responsibilities, I’m going to chill we are going to be staying in a beautiful house with a pool. I’m going to relax and I will forget about my obligations. I never thought I was going to dig that deep on myself. None of us did. None of the attendees knew that she did. Carla did. And she had her master plan. Ready, but we were not aware of it. And she started I started asking questions that as she just mentioned, make me think about myself and digging in and finding out, who I was what I thought that I never, ever checked. I never saw it and I am a fearless person. I have, you know, conquered a ton of stuff, but I didn’t know I was that scared to open the door!

Dr. Carla Michelle  24:51  

Oh, please share your point you made about that door. That was beautiful, people!

Marilena Grittani, RPh  24:57  

It was Yeah, it was it was a real! We were talking about open into yourself to the world. And because of personal issues, I have always been closed and I always keep the shield protecting myself. And I have that image of A strong and mean, so people don’t get close to me so people don’t hurt me. But then learning in this retreat, I was asked by Carla Michelle and another therapist that was there to open and I’m like, I’m open. And they were like, No, you’re not. And I said, Yes I am! No, you’re not. And the question I remember perfectly the Marlene said, Why are you afraid of if you open that door?

Marilena Grittani, RPh  25:40  

And without even knowing that that was going to be my answer, Carla, and listeners, I’m so uncomfortable saying this, but is exactly what happened. I said, How about a tsunami of bad things come in through that door and wash me off my feet and then I have no control of my life anymore? I know! imagine me, I was just like, and we were, by the way by fire pit and a beautiful tropical environment super chill. And I’m thinking about all that I’m like, Oh, well, that was in a in a group session and then later on, I had, a one on one with Carla. And when we were talking, we were next to the front door of the property in the patio, beautiful patio of that property, by the way. And you asked me a question. I don’t remember what you asked, but you said What is it? What did you get from it? And I told you, Carla, I I thought I was open. But all what I did was to unlock the door. I never opened it. I thought that by unlocking it was enough, but I never opened the door for stuff to come in and get out. I know. Sorry. So after that, You know, when you actually have time dedicate time to yourself and understand and to dig in within yourself when you are the only focus with retreats like this, which I never have time, because as Carla said, I have to take care of my dogs and my husband and the kids and, and work on my patients. And, you know, I never thought about me because I’m okay.

Dr. Carla Michelle  27:21  

I can handle it.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  27:23  

Yeah, then. Uh huh. I because I had to exactly and then when I was pushed because she pushed me to do it. She did not let go. Thank you for that though. My It was not easy. Because again, you want to self preserve, not been exposed. It’s not that I was exposed in front of other people that were there because we all were going through the same thing in different aspects of each person life, but it was exposed to myself. So then, you know, it was it was a huge realization and after that after I did That deep. Everything that I’ve done, everything had a purpose, is easy for me to find my ways I am so much better mentally, and with my partner and my personal life and my friends. And I remember, one of my best friends was there with me. It was fun too. And we talk to each other. And we were like, We never talked about these deep about us. And she went on to take better care of herself and her family. So stuff like this that you think is… I don’t know not important and a waste of time. Yeah. could change your life. I mean, I’m doing this podcast because of that. Yeah. And I would not be able to communicate and help and support the way that I’ve done it to all of you. If I wouldn’t go on there. So I do 100% recommend suggest to do it. Yeah, do it.

Dr. Carla Michelle  28:58  

It because you know what, it’s me, if I can say when we’re talking about preventive health care, that to me is preventive health care, you know; because it can alleviate depression. There’s a lot of things that we hold in, you know, we’re taking medications, because we’re depressed and we don’t have hope and life is so hard. But when we dig deep and we really look into ourselves, we see: Wait, I just unlocked that I didn’t open the door so nothing could go in and nothing can go out. I mean, that’s key. Because we’re holding so much in the stress the tension in our muscles and in our mind, and, and depression and all the things that are happening in life. Some of them we can control and thankful for you that that’s your heart to really bring the light and understanding and awareness into teach your listeners about what’s going on in the world, what’s going on with medication and really how they can even have a meal another way that they can help themselves because it’s not just one way

Marilena Grittani, RPh  30:00  

No, … and not everything gets solved with a pill. Because of the mentality that we have these days, oh, I’m going to take a pill for this, and that will fix it. It’s like if you have diabetes, I’m going to take medication, and I will eat all the cake that I want. No, that doesn’t help.

Dr. Carla Michelle  30:16  

But let’s find out why you’re eating that cake. Yeah, what’s what’s really going on with that sugar craving?

Marilena Grittani, RPh  30:22  

Or, or in the case of anxiety, we don’t want to confront what’s really going on. And we just keep using pills to avoid it, or people use street drugs for the same reason. And then you end up used to these drugs and when you just needed to go deep and analyze it and and you know. One thing that I learned at my age, my 23 years of age, Yes, for sure. Is that we are afraid of stuff; Because we made it grow in our head so scary, that we will never go confronted. And then when we do we’re like, oh, that was it. That was over. It was all I was concerned about it was just getting it clear in my mind. And maybe when you were 15 years old, it was a huge thing. But now at 49 is not .

Dr. Carla Michelle  31:09  

Which takes us back to the beginning of our conversation of fear. What stops us from taking care, you know, of having the conversations, it’s fear. And then when we get there, it’s not as bad like you had your, someone you interviewed. And they had the conversation. It wasn’t what they thought, but they learned a lot and that’s life. Why are we hiding in the shadows of something that won’t probably be that bad? If we take care of it? stop procrastinating, stop putting it off, face it, own it. Have a friend with you, get a coach, whatever it takes, you’re not alone. But get in there.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  31:47  

Yep, one story that I want to share it now one of my last patients, when I was working as an oncology pharmacist, she was diagnosed like a month before I saw her for the first time and… When you start chemotherapy, you need to have a pharmacist, talking to you and explaining to you what the drug is going to do, what to expect, what is, how does it work, if it works, and then answer all the questions that you have. Normally when you have an oncology patient,  the first time they come with family, because that is a support system, and they’re there to support the patient. And I remember, the patient knew what was coming because she could feel it. Her daughters were in total denial. And they kept saying to their mom: mom, you’re going to be fine. You’re gonna be fine. Yeah, she wasn’t. I couldn’t say those words because I knew she wasn’t. But they kept lying to themselves and pretending in front of their mother.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  32:49  

Two months later on the day that she decided that she didn’t want to get any more treatment. She didn’t want to say it to her family. She wanted us, to be there with her to explain to her family Why she was making that decision. Because she didn’t want to hurt them. And I remember saying to them, it’s not her fault, the patient would let go because it happened to her. It’s not the patient’s fault that you’re sick, it happens, period, letting it go… The patient in this case, their mother was tough, because you don’t want your mother ever to go, but she was suffering and she wasn’t going to get there. So that type of conversations, that are so uncomfortable and so hard, if you had, yes, but if you had a conversation early on in life when everybody’s healthy, I just want to know what to do. What is it that would you like to do? Just tell me what it is and that will respect it; whenever the circumstances hopefully never happens. But if they do, it’s going to be a much easier conversation.

Dr. Carla Michelle  33:45  

Definitely. But then if I can say to your listeners who may be the patient or the parent, who was the one that battling the illness, be as transparent as you can and, allow time if you can for your children it’s hard as it may be, to handle the truth. I had a dear friend whose mother did not tell that, they you know did all they could to keep her aboard in tubes like you said and breathing apparatuses and and she was tired and gone… But they wanted everything and then they found out how bad she was from the odd tops g afterwards and they were they were they were floored and then angry, at their mom so is so much tied up in… you know then how does that affect the generation and afterwards a lot of them were sick, depressed, angry, and their body started responding because the body does keep score, as the book says yes. And so it’s important, so important to have a conversation so important and just be as transparent as hard as it is in the long run. It pays off.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  34:58  

I bet that that mom wanted to protect her kids, but he ended up hurting them.

Dr. Carla Michelle  35:03  

So you got it. Right, right, you hit it.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  35:06  

So everybody be mindful of it. The more information you have, the more power you have, whether it’s to have another laugh together, whether it’s to go play bingo one more time, because that’s the thing that you love to do together or simply to have another fight because that’s the way you guys handle your life,. Whatever it is, give them that opportunity. Because you can go but they’re gonna stay. And they’re the ones that are going to be thinking about that and being affected by it. You want to they will. So think about that as well. As hard as it could be. Just face your fear. Right, Carla? Definitely. And talk about it and even laugh, because there’s something that is not avoidable: that is death. We will all die. Yeah, sooner or later, we will. So the better we do it, the better we go through that process. The better for Everybody.

Dr. Carla Michelle  36:00  

but yes, yes.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  36:02  

So talking about something a little bit more airy and a little bit more less dark, even though it’s part of life, right? Let’s just say… what benefits can we get from an event a retreat like the one that you’re doing besides having a podcast like, I want other benefits from retreat like this.

Dr. Carla Michelle  36:26  

Like I say kudos to your podcast because it’s more than just a podcast. It’s an idea that came out of you. It was a freedom to be you from Are you got from that time.

Dr. Carla Michelle  36:37  

And the next event I have on April 3, and fourth in Palm Springs is called Bold and Beautiful. You shared about bear and beautiful where we got past and dug in and got a little vulnerable. This time it’s taking that bareness, if they weren’t there, we will deal with a little bit of that as well as getting them to the bold place.

Dr. Carla Michelle  37:00  

Sometimes that is a boldness of the ability to speak your mind to be the woman that you want to be; to have confidence a lot of women I talked to are missing their value, their self value, are low on self esteem are struggling in their workplace for promotion and being overlooked; are not getting raises and they feel that they’re not counted for, that they’re not necessarily that they’re not making a difference. We deal with that in bold and beautiful. We deal with the physical side of what bold may be, you know some of us in relationships are you bold in that relationship are you speaking up and and being know what you want? What you need and having a conversation you know, amongst our part with our partners or spouses, our children and being and then not doing out of it at anger or discontentment but out of love and power, that way and even if I can go here you know sex, the taboo sex talks with not I’m not talking about our kids I’m talking about with the partner we’re with, and what’s missing and what’s needed and being bold in that there’s so much boldness that we can have.

Dr. Carla Michelle  38:16  

It is a lovely two day event and it is we have someone come in cooking for us so we don’t have to worry about that. 

Marilena Grittani, RPh  38:24  

 By the way, hold on. About that food. I’m telling you, number one, super healthy. Number one. Oh my God, this lady cooks with her heart. Anybody that knows me knows that I will cook for you. Because that’s my thing. That’s how I show people love. She didn’t let me do anything. She cooked for me on the I never felt taking care of that way in my life before. Yeah.

Dr. Carla Michelle  38:46  

Oh, well that and that’s what it’s about. It’s about being pampered. It’s about you know, being in a home that’s beautiful, relaxing, and we had one participant put on a robe, the whole time and never get dressed. We did no makeup. We did but we had good we got in the pool and it was a time of refreshing. It was a time of rebuilding ourselves. It was a time of equipping ourselves and being comfortable enough and vulnerable enough to have a conversation and to learn from each other and to go out different than how we came in and that’s Bold &  Beautiful. April 3 and fourth is Carla Michelle.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  39:21  

Yep. So if you guys want to participate in an event like this with Carla Michelle, which I absolutely recommend, she has a few openings left. Tell us about what you have special for them that they have like a month before

Dr. Carla Michelle  39:37  

Until March. Thank you march the fifth. There’s a $400 discount. Go to Dr. Carlainc.com, click on events and it should be on the front page. But click on events if you don’t if you don’t have time and then it’s right there you can register and what I do you get a personal phone call from me

Dr. Carla Michelle  39:59  

I will to just sit there and have a discovery call with you and how we can how you see this event, being of service to you how I can be of service, another therapist could be a service to you, we have coaching sessions. It sounds intimidating, but it also is the most beautiful experience and most relaxing experience. We have all different shapes, sizes, colors of skin, different avenues of life walks of life. And it’s just a good Good, good time.

Dr. Carla Michelle  40:27  

Hey, and if you’re listening, have your company organization sponsor you and join us and make it an event make it a personal development event because it is, It is so much of a personal development event and it ties in I’m sure with one of your 2020 goals.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  40:43  

Absolutely. And it could be one of the business expenses, as well.

Dr. Carla Michelle  40:46  

Yes, exactly. Exactly.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  40:49  

Take notes those solopreneurs out there that are solopreneurs Yes, ma’am. Oh, you have no idea what you’re gonna get out of it. You’re gonna be like, Why didn’t you tell me that it was going To be this much, because I don’t want to overwhelm you, but it’s going to be awesome. One thing I would recommend, if you’re crazy like me, bring your color pencils, markers, pads, because you’re going to write a little bit and you want to remember to do it in the way that you feel comfortable doing it is going to be beautiful. So I truly, truly support this event that Carla is doing. I truly recommend that to anybody that could go, there’s not that many openings left. So please don’t delay yourself because you’re going to be out. And she doesn’t do this all the time. So you have to do it. You need to do it quickly.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  41:35  

Now Carla, if they cannot take a plane and travel to Palm Springs to do this, what else can they do to enjoy and benefit from your awesomeness, your coaching because they needed they understand they wanted they didn’t know where to start? what they needed? How do they do this? How could they start with you?

Dr. Carla Michelle  41:55  

Well, I do do private coaching. I do one on one and I am going To begin group coaching style type of coaching as well. You can always reach out to me on Dr.Carlainc.com and there’s a form you can fill out to reach me We will gladly get back to you and discuss any coaching packages. I would love to work with you. But first, let’s get to know each other. Let’s see what you need. Let’s see how I can be a service to you. Let’s see if I’m a fit for you to help you.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  42:27  

Oh, you are, COME ON!

Dr. Carla Michelle  42:33  

It is like dating. You want to make sure yeah, so but I I would be honored and a privilege to work with any of your listeners. And maybe we can work out some type of percentage discount for anyone who mentions your podcasts and you put that in. If they mentioned you will work out a little something for them but it is definitely would be a privilege and an honor to work with me. your listeners up to me.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  43:02  

See Absolutely. And she is physically in the Los Angeles area. Yes want to go if you live in the area, you can go personally to her…

Dr. Carla Michelle  43:11  

office. And then I do do it virtually as well. We are able to do it virtually I virtually are by phone. So there’s phone, virtual or in person.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  43:21  

So you can do it for wherever you are. If you happen to be in Japan right now and you need a coach. There you go! You hold on we have we have a listener that I when I saw that yesterday, I was like, Are you kidding me? We have listeners from South Africa.

Dr. Carla Michelle  43:35  


Marilena Grittani, RPh  43:36  

I know. So if you’re in South Africa and you need a beautiful, very strong, super focused coach that is going to help you achieve the goals, high performance goals that you have, and make them solid and and apply them, not only to plan them but to get it done. Carla Michelle is your girl, trust me on that.She is shy…

Dr. Carla Michelle  44:06  

yes I am.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  44:10  

I know that you can’t see her, but we’re doing video and I can see her face. And she and she got a little shy. All of you by now know, that I’m very clear and be very upfront and I will tell you what it is as it is. She have changed my life. Professionally speaking though, and she can do the same for you. Yeah, I love you too. Carla Se is showing me love 

Dr. Carla Michelle  44:31  

So, is Bols and beautiful. The red tent experience. It is April 3 and fourth 2020 in Palm Springs, California. You can fly in Drive in but get there and can if you are not able to make the bold and beautiful event. Let’s talk about coaching. Let’s talk about private coaching sessions and what we can do together as a team.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  44:56  

So I’m going to put all this links on the show note as Well as the episode page on my webpage is going to be thelegaldrugdealer.com/11.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  45:08  

 And that is the page that is going to have all this information. So go there, take a look at all what Carla Michelle has to offer. Look at the beautiful smile that I’m telling you about. open yourself to do what you really want to do, whether it has to do with your health, your family health, or the future professionally, or even an entrepreneur.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  45:28  

Don’t do like I did that I was just unlocking the door, but I didn’t open it. Just make sure you get it open because a lot of good things are going to come.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  45:37  

Thank you so much, Carla. It’s always a pleasure and an honor and so much fun to talk to you.

Dr. Carla Michelle  45:43  

It’s always a blast when we’re together. And I like I said again, I’m very honored and privileged to have this time with you and thank you for letting me talk with you and your audience.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  45:56  

This is my new home and you know that you’re welcome anywhere that I am So come over anytime that you want if you have, it’s also important that you guys remember that if you have any questions for Carla, Michelle, you can send it to comments@thelegaldrugdealer.com or directly address it to her. I will also put her Instagram there because she does Instagram posts every day and she doesn’t Monday. What is it a

Dr. Carla Michelle  46:22  

Monday minute?

Marilena Grittani, RPh  46:23  

You don’t want to miss that. Yeah, and then she also has a constant positive reinforcement that she doesn’t let you go down color Michelle would never do. And then she also has a podcast, right?

Dr. Carla Michelle  46:38  

Yeah, I do. Whoa, look at this. I know I hope we can share this. This this recording on my podcast. It’s called the strong woman’s network.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  46:46  

No, of course we will

Dr. Carla Michelle  46:48  Send it out. The strong woman’s network. It’s about being strategic, talented, resilient, optimistic necessary. And then we take that global So this is exactly what you’re doing Miss strong You have definitely awaken some innermost desires and been strategic about it. You showed us your talent Lou, you’re sharing your resiliency You’re so optimistic or you wouldn’t be doing it. And then here you are necessary to all the world so you are strong a true meaning a strong there.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  47:20  

Oh My gosh. I didn’t think about that. And I am the epitome of the STRONG women. There you are, man. Yes. So when I wear my T shirt that says drunk Carla, Michelle Gave me by the way, I have to say yeah, I did it. 

Dr. Carla Michelle  47:37  

You are a STRONG woman there you really, really, really are. Marilena I You are the poster child of strong monster woman.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  47:45  

Thank you. Thank you and I owe that to you. So if you want to make the leap of change that you need in your life for the better for the for the future that you want. Find somebody like Carla, get with her better because she’s the best And get it done. And stop your fear and push through and be strong and get it done. Because we all can. There’s nothing impossible that we cannot achieve if we put our minds to it.

Dr. Carla Michelle  48:14  

So true. applauding you! . Thank you so much.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  48:18  

Thank you, Carla, and do you have to come back to talking about other stuff because anytime nurse are going to want to have you back, because you know, health is not only medications, tests and doctors is also taking care of ourselves the way that you teach us to do. And that is part of the team, part of the group of what to do.

Dr. Carla Michelle  48:39  


Marilena Grittani, RPh  48:40  

Thank you so much. Thank you will have a wonderful rest of your day. Carla. We’ll talk later.

Dr. Carla Michelle  48:45  

Okay. Bye. Bye.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  48:48  

How about this conversation? Wasn’t it awesome. I told you that she was going to be awesome and she was going to show you stuff that you never thought about. Or at least some perspective That you never focus on. She is the best for me. This kind of changes, open a new venue a new avenue a new way for me to practice pharmacy.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  49:10  

And to get the message that I believe in my heart. I was supposed to deliver to you on a personal relationship every Tuesday with our episodes and conversations. I hope that you get a lot from this. I hope that you can think and ask questions and if you have any realizations that you would like to share with me, I would love to listen to them. Don’t forget to send me your comments at comments@thelegaldrugdealer.com.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  49:39  

As I said, Carla, Michelle has an event that is coming up that is called beer unbold. It is very soon and she had discount for you guys. That is about $400 discount and the link is going to be on the show notes as well thelegaldrugdealer.com/11; and make sure you check that make sure you see what she has and follow her on Instagram because her positivity and the motivation that she delivers for free every day is something that you cannot buy anywhere. And if you believe that you are at that point in your life that you need a little push, a little help, a little support because you need to untangled your life. Carla, Michelle is a person.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  50:29  

I never thought I would say that much less that I would do what I did with her. I thought it was going to be fun. I was going to be chillin and by the pool and tanning and not having to take care of the dogs or Matt or the house or cooking or anything. I thought it was going to be a relaxation weekend.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  50:51  

And it was not. It was actually a deep dive inside of myself. And I finally gave myself permission to have time to find out, what I was doing what I wanted to do, where I was going to go, and what I needed to do. 

Marilena Grittani, RPh  51:10  

I remember one of my heroes saying once you need to find the purpose of your life, and once you do, you know what to do. That was Miss Oprah Winfrey. I don’t even remember where she said it. But when she did, I was like, my purpose? I’m a pharmacist. That’s my purpose. And I thought that that was it. But then at that retreat, that I got with Carla Michelle, that I understood that 26 years of experience that I have a clinical pharmacist gathering all this information was getting me ready for my true purpose. That is this, educating the community and teaching, what you need to know to take care of yourself and people that you love. So I find that this podcast is part of what my purpose in life is; what Oprah Winfrey calls purpose in life.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  52:03  

The legal drug dealer is venue for me to do this. And the podcast is my way to offer, what I have to give to you and for you to relate to it and just take advantage of what I have to say and people that I know will say to you, experts in every single area would say to you. 

Marilena Grittani, RPh  52:23  

Thank you for allowing me to have my purpose develop this way. I appreciate that.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  52:30  

So with that being said, that’s it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. Please don’t forget to subscribe to the podcast, give us a review. And if you have a question, send it to me at comments@the legaldrugdealer.com and I will respond to you directly or I will include this answers on my solo Episode The next time that that I record one. Also visit thelegaldrugdealer.com and look around and see what I have have their for you make sure that you follow us on Instagram, and join our private Facebook group community. And also subscribe to our mailing list so you will not miss anything. Next.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  53:12  

Next week I will be talking to my comadre, Swapna Chakrabarti .She is my friend. She’s been my mentor, my confidant in all related to pharmacy, one of the biggest supporters that I have in pharmacy as a profession. She is an expert on what is called medication therapy management. And you will learn a lot about this how you can take advantage of this services and how your parents or your grandparents or your uncles and Auntie’s can do that or people that you love in general can take advantage of this free service that is included and anybody that has Medicare Part D and has more than five medications in their profiles.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  53:52  

So don’t forget to tune in next Tuesday Swapna Chakrabarti and we will be talking about medication therapy management

Marilena Grittani, RPh  54:00  

So that’s it, I’m done. But before I go, and just in case no one has told you today, I wanted to take a minute to remind you of how awesome you are. And how lucky are those that have you in their lives. Thank you for being the awesome you, that you are.

Marilena Grittani, RPh  54:16  

Have a wonderful rest of your day. This is Marilena Grittani The Legal Drug Dealer. Bye for now.

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